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Osha Chesnutt-Perry, neuroscience student at St. Louis University, and medical assistant at a functional medicine health clinic in Missouri, speaks about the profoundly important arena of whole person health. Recalling the timeless wisdom of Hippocrates of ancient Greece, “Let food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food,” Osha describes the two root causes of disease: inflammation and toxicity. The keys to our physical and emotional health and well-being are good nutrition, healthy life-style, an activated heart field, a well-functioning Amygdala in the brain core, and our ability to work in service to one another and the world.
Her clear descriptions and easy-to-follow advice include: get plenty of sleep; breathe deeply; avoid: alcohol, sugar, corn, dairy, and gluten; exercise regularly; manage stress; walk outside; and avoid toxin-laden conventionally grown foods (that is, eat organically grown foods). She describes our ability to cultivate and radiate love from our heart centers, and shares that scientific studies show the heart generates an electromagnetic field that extends out 3 meters in many cases. The essential importance of a healthy gut microbiome, and the diligent use of probiotics to maintain that balance are also discussed.
Osha also provides perhaps the most important advice of all: in order to experience and maintain the highest levels of health and well-being, it is essential that we both listen to our bodies, and work in service to humanity and to our living planet!
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Welcome to the YonEarth Communities Stewardship and Sustainability Podcast Series.
Today I am so delighted that we have visiting with us Osha Chestnut-Perry.
Hi Osha.
Oh, thank you for having me.
It’s great to have you on the show.
So Osha was born and raised in Boulder, Colorado and graduated from Boulder High School
after which she moved to St. Louis to get a well-being coach certification.
She also has worked as a medical assistant at an integrative clinic there in St. Louis
for a year and is also studying at St. Louis University pursuing a bachelor’s degree in
neuroscience with a premed emphasis.
Now at that same clinic, she’s working as a cryotherapy technician and helping folks
with their holistic health and well-being through that clinic’s integrated work.
Osha is passionate about cooking, the outdoors, dancing, animals, the brain and her family.
Now that’s a very special note because I have to also share with our audience some
of whom already know this, many of whom probably don’t.
I invited Osha to be on the show because I happened to know she is a particularly bright
and gifted young lady.
In fact I know this and knew this when she was two years old and by that time had already
learned to identify around 20 or so of the medicinal plants and herbs that grow in the Rocky
Mountain Wilderness here in Colorado.
The reason I know that of course is because Osha is my daughter and it is such a joy
Osha to have you on the show and to be able to share with folks a number of threads and
conversations you and I have been having for quite some time now.
So before we dive in I just want to say welcome and thanks for being here.
Thanks dad, it’s great to be here and I’m happy to do this with you.
Wonderful.
So we’re going to talk today about healthcare, education, food and nutrition and I’m wondering
what with your studies with what you’re doing professionally, you have a very interesting
perspective on our healthcare system in this country.
What does it look like to you from your vantage point?
Yeah so in the United States healthcare looks a little bit different than it does in a lot
of other developed countries.
Obviously it’s not universal.
There isn’t, you know, there’s no backing by the government to ensure that everyone
has free or affordable healthcare.
So that looks a lot different from a lot of countries in let’s say Europe.
So already that is kind of an issue and I think one that most people are pretty well aware
of but you know even taking a broader look at medicine, something that I think people
aren’t aware of is that the training to be a medical practitioner is actually pretty
harsh.
So that kind of sets the stage for what medicine looks like and what healthcare looks like
in this country because our practitioners don’t know how to take care of themselves physically
or don’t have the structures set up to live a well in balance lifestyle and they’re the
ones that are giving us advice on health and wellness, you know.
So that’s kind of my view and you know there’s definitely a change happening as well I
would say.
A lot of people are becoming aware of this especially people in the industry and there are people
trying to make a change of that like where I work.
We have a lot of functional medicine practitioners which is for those people that don’t know what
functional medicine is.
So look at the whole being and the whole person instead of just an organ system or you know
a symptom less and so they’re going to go and look at the root cause of a disease maybe
it’s actually from your birth maybe it was a little bit of a traumatic birth maybe it
was something that you grew up in you know in your childhood in your adolescence maybe
you were exposed to heavy metals maybe you lived in a really polluted place you know
maybe you just didn’t have the best diet they’re going to look at all of those things to
see okay if you have diabetes one was it on set why did it why did it appear then versus
10 years earlier 10 years later and then kind of really holding your hand through that
to through changing your life and changing the way you live to support that illness and
to make some epigenetic changes and you can see what those practitioners they themselves
are living that as well and so for me it’s very helpful to be surrounded by those kinds
of practitioners and it really is a change in the culture and it’s not just happening
in St. Lawrence it’s happening all over the country and I think that’s pretty exciting.
It’s so great so I want to come back to a few terms that you just mentioned such as epigenetics
however you know one of the things with the work we’re doing through the Wioners community
is is really balancing information with inspiration with things we can do in our own lives our
own communities to improve health well-being thriving and of course stewardship and sustainability
and I’m just wondering so when you when you all are working with patients and you’re seeing perhaps
issues related to exposure to pollutants or diet over years etc. What are the what are the
categories are the the lists of recommendations you make to folks to help them get on the track
of improved health and well-being so at the clinic I work there’s a lot of integrative therapies
that would be recommended um from kind of my perspective and just your average person that maybe
doesn’t have access to those things it really comes down to inflammation and toxicity so
toxicity or inflammation is basically the two roots of any illness or disease and so it’s important
to address both of those things um you know we’ve known this since
Hippocrates and sclepias in Greece that food is not medicine right so a lot of diet is it’s
going to be key to addressing those two things so if we think about toxicity um you know like when
you’re buying conventionally grown things or produce that’s you know made with a lot of pesticides
or even a lot of processed foods that have additives in them that’s going to increase your toxic
burden and that’s not something scary because we actually have these systems in our body that are
built to filter those toxicities and you know we’re very resilient just in our body aspect we’re
very resilient creatures um but there does it’s like a buffer system right so there’s it reaches
a certain threshold and then you start to see some symptoms and so it’s really important
to be mindful of what you’re subjecting your body to whether it be you know putting yourself
in a situation where you’re around a lot of smoke or a lot of air pollution um trying to get out
you know you’re some trees to where you’re in an environment but it’s a little bit more filtered
being mindful about the food that you put in your body you know it is a grown locally
is it in season is it kind of agreeing with the rest of the experience that your body is having
is it grown naturally is it fresh all those kinds of things and then are you cooking up
properly so at the right temperature um ensuring that you aren’t cooking up all the nutrients
etc and then on the inflammation piece um a lot of that actually has to do with stress so
really limiting your stress um kind of taking up you know more mindful practices
so letting yourself experience violence every day um again getting outside you know exposing
yourself to the fresh air to the sunshine kind of allowing your nervous system to calm down
every day because even driving in a car is a natural for our nervous system it’s something
that was invented you know a hundred and what 50 years ago or something like that and um
less I don’t know a little less but more more yeah more than a hundred years ago about
sure since you go yeah okay um and so it’s that’s not enough time for your nervous system to
catch up to that and so even something as simple as driving in a car is going to cause stress
and so it’s just important to be mindful of this and to limit those things when possible
and to supplement with other um detressing practices it’s so beautiful what I love about
the framework that you’re describing is it’s relatively simple and straightforward and easy
to understand inflammation and toxicity um excellent right it’s I can think of so many ways
that we know folks can reduce stress and can reduce toxicity and can reduce inflammation
and one of the things I’m thinking about right now is uh our ambassadors are planning to have
events a little later this year where we will plant a whole bunch of baby spider plants
folks are probably familiar with spider plants yeah put inside your home your bedroom perhaps
your office and we know that indoor air quality as we increasingly urbanize uh is essentially
one of the ways more and more of us are being exposed to toxicity in certain plants uh spider
plants in particular have been shown to be amazing air filterers essentially I I know a study that
I looked at for the uh writing of YonEarth showed that within five minutes
in controlled environments a spider plant was shown to measurably reduce uh airborne carcinogens
and what a what a wonderful simple kind of thing we can all be doing get some spider plants
into our homes and do our offices they’re relatively easy to care for okay um there there are so
many other uh examples of course you mentioned getting out with trees and there’s I’ve seen a lot
of research coming out about how uh literally five or even ten minutes uh being surrounded by
and looking at living trees will measurably reduce stress hormones in our bodies okay fabulous like
we have um cities we have some access to to parks and uh forest preserves and so forth so I just
I’m absolutely how hopeful all of this can be for us yeah absolutely and uh kind of to pay back
on that I was reading an article recently about the amygdala and being in nature um so the amygdala
among other things controls our fear response and um I don’t know if you’ve seen the movie um
what is it called presolo about the man who presoloed El Capitan so one of the reasons he was able
to do this is because his amygdala is actually physically smaller than the average person and so
he doesn’t experience the same fear response in those dangerous situations that most of us do
allowing him to persevere through that situation when most of us would be frozen with fear um
but something that being in nature does is actually a kind of tempers this fear response
and so it’s inevitable that it’s going to be triggered at some point in your day just because
you know things happen but if you’re able to then calm it down every day as well it’s just again
going to promote kind of a little bit more harmony and you know just the brain which is the great
yeah it seems really interesting you know in so many of our interactions socially and in clubs
at work organizations we may belong to uh there can often be exchanges that trigger essentially the
the fighter flight um mechanisms and in that you know often interferes with our ability to
communicate with one another to maintain compassion open hearts and it strikes me that
one of our biggest practices when even when we’re thinking about global issues of stewardship
and sustainability have to do with the cultivation of our own neuro biochemistry and really kind of
training or developing some discipline around um changing habits in terms of responding to
different stimuli different situations and I know you’re in deep studying this sort of thing and
I’m wondering if um you might have a lot of works and and perhaps even you know tied a bit to the
epigenetics it could be some of our our audience aren’t as familiar with that term epigenetics
maybe you could stand on that a bit sure um so epigenetics basically is when your
environment physically changes your genetics so we all have a DNA strand that we’re given from birth
and um certain proteins are going to be expressed or not expressed depending upon the environment
so it’s not that your genetic basis is changing at all but let’s say you know um you have
a i’m not even sure this is true this is just going to be an example let’s say if you are eating
an only sugar diet um it’s gonna you’re gonna have a lot more carbohydrates to break down and
let’s like proteins are fast and so the proteins that are required to break down the carbohydrates
will need to be up-regulated or um the genetic sequence that is made for that protein
is going to be expressed more and then the proteins that would be expressed for breaking down
proteins are fast the enzymes that would be expressed for breaking down proteins are fast
would need to be down-regulated and this is just to conserve energy and this is happening all
the time in the body um for different things from you know dealing with temperature fluxes in
your body and around your body um to stress to sleep to caffeine to all of these different things
so your body is a very dynamic system it’s constantly changing depending on what kind of
environment you put it in and expose it to um so that’s kind of what epigenetics
you’re born with a predisposition for x, y, and z disease that doesn’t necessarily mean
that you are going to get x, y, and z disease it just means that if given the right environment
you could develop it but that also means that if you give it the right environment you may not
all develop any symptoms and you may live a very healthy life now this is a very um new discovery
in the greater scheme of things and so the science isn’t there yet to say okay we know how to
prevent cancer for you by just giving you the right environment but we are headed in that
direction um to where I think we will be able to use our genetic sequence to be able to live a
life um more or less to the benefit of ourself based on what our genetics are but like I said
that’s a lot’s a long time coming that’s probably not in my lifetime more my if I have children
or grandchildren it’s probably ways out um but in terms of stress responses in like our everyday
life when that fight or flight response is triggered there are certain things that we can do
just to lower our cortisol and some of those other chemicals um that circulate in our blood
stream to you know make us excited enough to fight our flight basically um so
something that I found really interesting is that our heart is really sensitive um electro
magnetically and so there actually is about a nine foot or three meter um radius around your
heart that your heart can detect electromagnetic differences so if you think about that night
be there’s a pretty far way away so when you’re in a crowd you could be interacting with 12 other
people’s you know electromagnetic pulses from their heart right and so if you’re in a crowd and
everyone is experiencing fear even if you’re thinking I’m not going to experience this your body
is still registering that fact and is having a response to some effect on the contrary
if everyone is experiencing fear and you are aware of that and can calm down your heart then that
calm is also being emitted to the people around you and that can have an effect as well um so
something that the heart mat institute has kind of shown and developed is that but also is
showing that deep breathing and diaphragm breathing has shown to decrease this kind of fear
response in your heart and um help other people around you then also become more calm more hopeful
even in stressful situations and so deep breathing diaphragmatic breathing is really deeply important
to combating stress in your everyday life this is so exciting so I have to give a quick shout out to
one of our ambassadors John Parcell who works with heart math and is helping get to get
more of the heart math technology and techniques into various healthcare hospitals
corporation schools etc so this is so exciting and I’m so struck one of the things I’ve been
experimenting with the last year or two is when standing in line at the grocery store especially
around rush hour toward the end of the day when people seem to be really stressed in the
store tends to be a bit busier uh all often uh just be there in line without you know being
conspicuous about it but I’ll work on essentially cultivating calm and love and joy and gratitude
and kind of feel like I’m maybe uh sharing that outward and I didn’t realize the mechanism uh
until you describe it this way it’s what an amazing gift what an amazing tool that we each have
with us each and every day and my gosh how much could we positively change our world as
thousands and millions of us work to cultivate this kind of uh ethos through through that
how how do we know about this like what instruments have allowed us to understand
this electromagnetic property of the heart that was a great question I don’t know that much about
the research yeah I would assume it has to do with I mean my assumption would be maybe electromagnetic
probes in two different humans and then giving a few response in one having it them in you know
physical proximity and seeing if there’s a response in another yeah but I wouldn’t know for sure
and not to get too far afield you know contented um we make some uh guests on the show
in the near future who have been working with ways to demonstrate that plants may actually be
interacting with this same sort of electromagnetic radiation and that there’s some
interactivity there that uh some folks are working on there’s been research going back at least
to the 70s on this but it sounds like in the last decade or so things are really progressing in our
scientific understanding of of what’s going on in this incredible place we call Earth
absolutely and I think two part of that has to do with um a change in the scientific community
so not to say that the research from the 70s wasn’t great research but the scientific
community didn’t accept it because it seemed you know outlandish or just almost like sci-fi or
new ag or whatever you want to call it you know but um a lot I think it’s kind of like the
straw that broke the camel’s back with there are enough people that are credible that are showing
this research and so you know the scientific community can’t help but to recognize it now
which is great it’s so exciting yeah you know I know that some of our um our clock works
that allowed us to mechanically show the complex motions of of the planets in our solar system and so
probably informed what became a quite mechanistic way of understanding all of reality and
and with when it comes to biology when it comes to living uh creatures like you like me like all
our friends and family like plants like animals um it seems that the the mechanistic
paradigm is really insufficient in in many ways to to understanding uh what’s happening in those
extraordinarily complex systems yeah absolutely it’s a reductionistic view which
you know when you’re a small child you have to reduce things in order to wrap your head around it
and we’ve done basically infants for all of human history you know like just now maybe we’re
becoming toddlers maybe but they’re still we just we don’t have the capacity to fully understand
a lot of the things in our universe and so we have to take a reductionistic view in order to try and
make prediction to try and understand some mechanism but at the end of the day like we still do not
have a full picture and it’s incredibly important to remember that when you’re doing research when
you’re um learning and to be constantly fighting to push that reductionism kind of out of your head
and to look at the big picture and to take into account account all of the pieces yeah yeah yeah
you know i’m difficult i’m struck that um uh interacting with some of my friends who are either
traditionally trained as scientists or ten toward a quote unquote scientific world view
and so often i think the um categorical mistake it’s made that uh to be able to prove something
with certainty within the scientific paradigm um versus understanding that there’s so much to truth
into reality that is that our science our our instrumentation our experimental frameworks are
simply not sophisticated enough yet to get into that realm of proving or disproving and it
creates a really challenging epistemological framework what do we know what don’t we know etc
and i often see folks who have scrubbed to the scientific uh you know paradigm if you will
getting tripped up around that mm-hmm yeah absolutely yeah i think there’s much growth to be done
i think it will be done and just you know we’ve been around for 120 000 years and i’ve only gotten
here so i’ll take time yeah so i want to ask a little more about what we can do for for inflammation
this is such a big deal on it seems more and more people’s minds and uh i know of course a lot of
sugar can cause inflammation i i know more and more folks who are taking turmeric and ginger
uh to help reduce inflammation stuff we find traditionally in the drink called chai um
so what else what else can we be doing to to regulate inflammation um well a lot of it has to
do with the gut so ensuring that the gut is healthy taking probiotics um you know seeing your
provider to ensure that you don’t have something like cevo which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth
which actually a lot of people suffer from or something like ibs would be kind of the result of
an imbalance to gut so really looking at the gut and making sure everything is in balance and
working with practitioner for that but on a more personal level um putting alcohol as much as
possible really limiting you know your red meat your corn your dairy your gluten unfortunately i
know all the things we love um yeah your sugar um eggs can even be a little bit inflammatory depending
upon your system but it also i mean the best advice i’ve ever gotten and my best advice i think i
could ever give someone in terms of nutrition and taking care of the body is listen to your own
body so pay attention if you’re getting bloated pay attention if you’re feeling fatigued if you
are getting sick a lot um if you have allergies all of these are are kind of signs that you are
having some inflammation in your body and you can start to kind of pinpoint okay when i eat corn
i feel x y and z so then avoid corn for a month and see if you feel better and if it’s not that
then maybe try eliminating something else that you pinpoint you know and have fun with an
experiment with yourself like life is joyful and how much fun is it to get to know yourself and
get to know how your body works you know um but even beyond that cryotherapy which is something
that i do for my job right now is great for inflammation reduction um and that is something
that’s popping up kind of all over the us right now so that’s great if you can you know find one of
those so explain what is wrong getting enough sleep yeah so yeah cryotherapy because i imagine
some of our audience may not be familiar with that term yeah so cryotherapy is a treatment
where you get into a chamber that is cooled with liquid nitrogen and we know liquid nitrogen is
very very cold it actually can’t exist as liquid in normal condition so it turns into a gas as
soon as you know it comes into contact with you or even comes into proximity with you so you’re
in a session for up to three minutes and it gets to you know you really want to be around well
at least colder the negative 60 degrees Celsius once you hit that negative 60 degrees Celsius
marks then you’re going to get to see the benefits that are promised from cryotherapy
but some of the machines like the one that i work with gets to what is it negative 120 degrees
Celsius which is about negative 180 Fahrenheit if i’m not mistaken wow that’s really cold
that’s pretty cold yeah but it’s only three minutes totally dual
so um you just mentioned sleep and i you know i’ve thought one of the things i really enjoy
about getting older that as your dad i have the opportunity to speak to you from time to time is
that just from my own experience i’m able to know ahead of time oh if i today if i
sense and this is about listening to body oh i probably need some avocado or i probably need an
extra large keeping salad of organic greens and i actually know i will feel a good way the following day
and certain certain um uh super foods do this for me blueberries are one of my favorites that i
enjoy here and there and uh to be able to get to that place in life where where we kind of know
that about ourselves is such a joy and such a delight and for me sleep is is one that’s just huge
and i know that um sleep deprivation uh and or uh insufficient sleep is is a major issue for a
whole lot of us in this country and society um but it seems that this is one of the really big
top priority items what what do you tell your patients when it comes to sleep
well i don’t really talk to them about sleep just because that’s not like i don’t have kind of
the qualification to speak to that um but you know something that i’ve overheard and that i would
tell my loved ones is um obviously to prioritize sleep and i actually one of my favorite books
that i’ve ever read and something that got me really interested in neuroscience is um i want to say
i think it may be called sleep and i forget who it’s written by but i can get you that information
if you want to put it in something and um it basically outlines i think 10 steps to getting a good
night’s sleep so um and kind of resetting your circadian rhythms one of you know just off the top
of my head i think it lists turning off anything that emits blue light one to two hours before you go
to bed um actually when you get up in the morning you’re taking a walk is really important
and it’s even better if you can take a walk outside and see natural sunlight
the taking a walk actually warms up your brain so your brain is about three to five degrees cooler
than the rest of your body while you sleep and so in the morning it’s not live it’s literally not
warmed up so um it’s great to take just even a 15 minute walk to get kind of the juices flowing
and to warm up your brain so that it knows okay it’s time to be awake um seeing the sunlight
really helps with your hormones system and resetting that circadian rhythm and all of the sleep
hormone cycles of the day um excuse me you know having a nighttime care routine is really important
so even if it’s just brushing your teeth for the same amount of time every day in the same place
that tells your brain it’s time to go to sleep it’s time to begin winding down um and that again
is going to help with your sleeping i’ve learned that i love sleeping with a sleep mask actually thank
you to my wonderful grandmother your mom uh she got me a silk sleep mask for Christmas and now um
if i wake up in the middle of the night or have trouble sleeping all i have to do is put on my sleep
mask and i’m not particularly sensitive to light but the fact that it puts pressure on my eyes
calms my entire nervous system and so that’s something for me that i found is like
better than taking sleep medication and it’s it’s amazing you know and so finding little things
like that can really help with your sleep um magnesium is great for your sleep so a lot of
the reason um behind of why magnesium works is actually magnesium is a critical element in um
the hormones that are necessary for sleep and magnesium is something that is also used in
stressful situations by your body so most of us are actually magnesium deficient um and so taking
magnesium right before you go to bed just a low dose is great for making sure that your body
can produce those hormones to allow you to fall asleep and stay asleep and it shouldn’t make you
feel groggy in the morning because it’s just you know these normal chemicals that your body is
making you’re just giving it the building blocks yeah sometimes use a little uh powdered magnesium
in my water when i’m getting ready to get to go to sleep and yeah that’s great there’s certain
music i like to listen to that i’ve been listening to since high school actually that
is those uh signolars that you’re describing that tells great embody oh it’s time to go to sleep
we know this totally yeah yeah exactly um something else started that i just thought of as exercise
is really important for the regulation of your hormones but um exercising too late can also
interrupt your sleep so exercising earlier in the day is great for maintaining a good sleep cycle as
well that’s so wonderful and don’t eat too late either all these little things keep dropping into
my head yeah yeah well let me mention uh for our audience that this is the YonEarth communities
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if you can see it so that’s great it’s just wonderful to be able to speak with you and connect
so many dots with you and i’m sure that many of our audience are going to really appreciate this
episode with the specific things we can be doing in our own lives and i’m just i’m wondering
you know before we wrap up in the next few minutes um what else from your perspective
with your studies in uh neuroscience your your studies and work in the the health and wellness
uh arenas what else from your perspective has you excited what what are you saying gosh i wish
millions of more people knew about this what would you what would you share with with the
world about uh about your view on things yeah um so i might not get a little bit more personal
then because this is something that i think has really just been an aha moment for me
it’s not research based although i’m sure there is actually a bunch of research out there to back
me up on this um but really the one thing that i think everyone should become aware of is
the physical and emotional effects positive effects of living with more of a humanitarian and
you know kind of loving and kind attitude every day of your life can have so i think
something for me that i’ve really been working on these past several years is just being kind
to people and you know waking up every morning and thinking what can i do for humanity today and how
can i you know lift some of the heaviness of the world today and live a little bit later and this
is something internally that i have to work on you know i’m working on my heavy emotions my heavy
thoughts um and then also more externally so not getting frustrated when traffic is bad and i’m
running late for something or um when you know it’s just been a hard day and everything’s a little
chaotic taking into breath and reminding myself that if i’m feeling this way probably other people
are feeling this way too and so something i can do about that is to just be extra kind and
smile to a stranger you know tell someone they look beautiful tell someone that i really enjoy
speaking with them or i enjoy their thoughts um and yeah just like really trying to live with love
in your heart every single day and i think something that i would like to say to everyone that’s
viewing today if you have children or young people in your life i think something that is
fundamentally important to our future is teaching them that the most valuable thing that they can
do with their lives is dedicate it to something greater than themselves and dedicate it to other people
and that can look like a lot of different things that might be having children and bringing them
up in a home of love that might be being a chef and cooking great food for people that might be
being a farmer and growing good food for people um it might even you know be in these things that
we think are harsh climates that could be in advertising and choosing to take the jobs
that are promoting sustainable products you know it could be in politics and really fighting
for these issues that aren’t so popular um and you know everything that you can do you can do
in a way that serves humanity or you can do it in a way that doesn’t and so i would just say to
everyone like really think about how you’re living your life and how you can do it to support your
fellow humans your fellow animals your fellow plants your your world your home
that’s it that is so beautiful oh yeah well i learned from the best
well i love you tremendously and you bring great joy to me and i’m extraordinarily proud of you
and it is such a good joy to be able to share a a a taste of the exquisite conversations
you and i have with our audience and i’m just grateful we’ve been able to have this conversation
so thank you very much thank you oh this has been lovely what a great Sunday
absolutely well we’ll sign off for now and uh i’m sure we’ll all be talking soon sounds great thank you
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