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Episode 87 - Rennie Davis, Futurist, Activist, Philosopher, "Earth Whisperer"

At the center of 20th century history, Rennie shares how he and the Chicago 7 used humor to “put the government on trial,” how he admires the courage of the late John McCain, who was one of the prisoners of war negotiated for release from the Vietcong, but who refused to leave until all other POW’s were released, and how he was “hanging out” with John Lennon in his New York apartment before a surprise visit to the recording studio to hear the final track laid down for “Imagine”. Wow!

Now, Rennie and his team at the Foundation for Humanity are encouraging all of us to dig in, to find and cultivate intentional community, and to deploy Permaculture, soil regeneration, and other “survival skills” to create the resilience required to endure and thrive in the midst of massive earth changes. Rennie observes that only about 5-6% of humanity is “awake” at this point, and that we need a massive awakening within our lifetime – here are the stages: (1) wake up; (2) become aware; (3) become conscious. During his 4 year solitude time in the sacred Havasupai lands, Rennie learned to talk with the Earth, and describes her as a self-aware being. He encourages all of us to cultivate the special listening skills to become “Earth Whisperers” and to help Mama Gaia in her healing journey.

Rennie Davis was the coordinator of the largest anti-war and civil rights coalition in American history. He planned to bring 500,000 people to protest the Vietnam war at the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention. With parallels to today’s Republican White House, Chicago’s mayor denied permits and the right to peacefully assemble. Instead, police beat and tear gassed demonstrators while the whole world was watching. More people watched the police riot on television than watched the first man landing on the moon. For his role in Chicago, he was indicated with 7 others in what the NY Times described as the “most significant political trial in American history.” The Trial of the Chicago 7 is a Dreamworks movie set to be released October 16. He also organized the largest civil disobedience arrest in American history and partnered with John Lennon to end the Vietnam war. When the vice president of the United States called him the most dangerous man in America, all his friends celebrated his academy award of protest.

Davis later became a venture capitalist and lecturer on meditation and self-awareness. He is the founder of Foundation for a New Humanity, a technology development and venture capital company commercializing breakthrough technologies.

He has appeared on Larry King Live, Barbara Walters, CNN, Phil Donahue, VH1, and other network programs. He consults and provides advice in business strategies for Fortune 500 companies.



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Welcome to the YonEarth community podcast. I’m your host, Aaron William Perry. And today we’re visiting with futurist, philosopher, and activist, Rennie Davis. Hi, Rennie. Hello. God be here.

Good to have you here. We’re going to have a very interesting conversation today. I’m sure.

Rennie Davis was the coordinator of the largest anti war and civil rights coalition in American history.

He planned to bring 500,000 people to protest the Vietnam War at the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention.

With parallels to today’s Republican White House, Chicago’s mayor denied permits and the right to peacefully assemble.

Instead police beat and tear gas demonstrators while the whole world was watching.

More people watched the police riot on television and watched the first man landing on the moon.

For his role in Chicago, he was indicted with seven others in what the New York Times described as the most significant political trial in American history.

Now, the movie The Trial of the Chicago Seven, a Dreamworks movie, is being released October 16 of this year.

Rennie also organized the largest civil disobedience arrest in American history and partnered with John Lennon to end the Vietnam War.

When the vice president of the United States called him the most dangerous man in America, all his friends celebrate what they called this Academy Award of Protest.

Rennie later became a venture capitalist and lecturer on meditation and self-awareness.

He is the founder of Foundation for a New Humanity, a technology development and venture capital company commercializing breakthrough technologies.

Rennie has appeared on Larry King Live, Barbara Walters, CNN, Phil Donahue, VH1, and other network programs and he consults and provides advice in business strategy for Fortune 500 companies.

Rennie, it’s so great to have this opportunity to visit with you today and I know that you have a handful of things that you are working on and looking forward to sharing with our audience that are of a very timely nature.

Stay tuned for that folks, but before we get to some of those things, Rennie, I want to ask you, going back to the 60s and what happened in Chicago, can you take us back there and paint the picture of what that was and what it was like to be front and center at that point in our nation’s history?

One of the things that strikes me is the parallels between 1968 and today.

You know, it just seemed like there was just one calamity after another, Martin Luther King was assassinated.

It really shook us to our core and then shortly after that Robert Kennedy was assassinated in the day when the California primary was shot and killed.

So there were just to much of events for coalition.

We had 150 national organizations in coalition, something we urgently need today.

And I was a coordinator of that coalition when we went to Chicago.

I fully believe we would bring 500,000 people to the Democratic Convention, which at that time was responsible for the Vietnam War.

And I mean, we knew Chicago was tough, but we just didn’t quite imagine that the mayor of Chicago would basically suspend the First Amendment, the right to petition.

I mean, just basic constitutional rights, but he did, he denied permits to our demonstration.

And so obviously our numbers went way down, but you know, mostly young, extremely courageous, you know, people went to Chicago.

And, you know, on the, we were in a park, you know, camped out and had the curfew was 11 o’clock.

We picked this park because Boy Scots had been granted permits to stay in the park overnight.

And, but at 11 o’clock, you know, police dissembled and soon tear gas was flying.

And police came crashing and beating and clubbing as they went.

It wasn’t as demonstrated as they were clubbing.

They club the news anchors and major of major networks.

Everybody knew them, you know, and what their heads get bloody.

I mean, even people who were watching the event on their porch step outside Lincoln Park, you know, got clubs and beaten and gas.

I mean, it was, you know, and I mean, as I said earlier, you said earlier, you know, this was an event that was watched on television by more people that watched the first moment that the first man landed on the moon.

And this is a staggering thing. It changed public opinion in the country.

Gallup polls show that a majority of the country, you know, supported the government in a war before that event.

But the same Gallup polls two weeks after that event basically concluded a majority of the American people now supported our position, the anti-war moment.

This was the lead Vietnam.

It was a remarkable thing. You know, obviously there was a big debate afterwards about who caused the riots.

There was literally a presidential commission that was formed with, you know, hundreds of investigators and it was called the Walker Report.

It went right to the top of the New York Times bestseller list.

And it basically concluded that the Chicago event was a police riot. That was their terms.

So they placed the responsibility squarely at the footstep of the mayor’s office.

It was actually the best thing ever written about me. I’ve never had.

So that was good. But, you know, Nixon was elected and John Mitchell of his Justice Department concluded that, you know, they wanted to basically, you know, coalesce with a long order elements of the Republican party.

And so what better way than to basically round up the so-called leaders of the demonstration and invite them.

What many people, you know, don’t realize that it was one of the worst attacks on our Constitution in American legislative history.

It basically said that if you cross the state line or you used interstate commerce with the intention with an estimate what you read or what you spoke or what you wrote.

Okay. If you had the intention to incite a riot and a riot was defined as an assembly of three or more people, one of whom threatened or to violate a law.

So, I mean, you could have a misdemeanor. You could have three kids on the street quarter with clenched fist.

A year after someone like me or Martin Luther King is spoken.

And for that event, where there’s no time connection at all, you know, the speaker could face five years in jail.

In our case, there was also a conspiracy to basically incite a riot.

So that had another five years to our sentence.

So we faced ten years in jail in a trial that, I mean, the New York Times is on the opening day of the trial called of the most significant political trial of American history.

Everybody knew what was coming and it certainly lived up to the billing.

It essentially was a unique moment because what we did was put the government on trial and we did it with humor and we did it with serious presentations.

I went on the witness stand for three days.

And while my testimony is not mentioned in the movie, the trial of the trial of seven, it was really one of the most dramatic, you know, moments in the trial, you know, and it would be, you know, to me, it would have been important to include it.

What I was able to do was to basically hold up a little bomblet to the jury.

I mean, there’s a tiny little thing, you know, about the size of a tennis ball.

And I explained that this went off in this courtroom. Everyone here would die.

But the room would be attacked for another trial on the Vietnam War because this is an anti-personnel weapon.

It doesn’t take out property.

You know, what it would typically do is maybe hit a little ricochet, you know, a bomblet would hit your leg and ricochet up your leg.

And then you would die of slow bleeding to death.

And literally, a Vietnamese woman who lost her entire family from this particular weapon that I was holding my hands.

Okay, it was, it gave me this weapon to explain what the US military was doing in Vietnam.

So it was, you know, it was very dramatic testimony and it made our point profoundly.

I mean, the jury was just wrapped attention. The judge was hysterical and I was actually being effective.

And I got, you know, every time I would make a good point, the judge would find a way to take me for a contempt of court.

I actually got two and a half years of contempt of court for being on the witness stand.

And the prosecutor, the lead prosecutor, Tom Foren decided that he was going to use this trial to run for governor.

I mean, it was such a media event. And so when it came time for him to cross examine me, this was his road to the governor’s mansion.

And it’s not like, you know, we were just sincere.

That’s all we knew what we were talking about.

I’d been to Vietnam, to North Vietnam twice.

And I brought back American prisoners of war from North Vietnam to their families.

And so I had a pretty good understanding of what was really going on in that country.

So the cross examination was just me being myself and just saying what the way it really is.

I mean, at that stage, he decided not to run for governor as a result of that cross examination.

So it was a very momentous event, you know, both the event and the trial.

Yeah, I would say that one of the things that was so moving about the trial was the support that we had.

I mean, the movie doesn’t mention this at all, but every evening we would go out and speak.

And, you know, I would typically speak to 10,000 people every night during the trial.

You know, a really small turn out might be 5,000 often when the governor would call out the National Guard.

And I, I spoke in a stadium.

And so, and we just had such a passionate following and support system.

I mean, that was our jury, you know, especially young people.

At the end of the trial of Chicago seven called for a nationwide student strike and 90% of American colleges and universities shut down.

That’s incredible.

Did you an idea, a little feel for what that time was like?

Well, let me ask, did you end up serving time? What was what was the outcome of the trial?

Well, at the end, the jury was deadlocked.

It pretty much like the country, actually, you know.

So they, they went before the judges.

And so our judge were deadlocked, you know, we can’t reach a decision.

Well, the judges wouldn’t have it.

I mean, he said that there’s no way.

I mean, there’s too much time, too much money’s been spent.

You’ve got to make a decision.

These are people who have been sequestered from their families for five and a half months.

And they literally thought they were just being prison forever and those they made a decision.

So they basically decided the only way out was to compromise.

It’s time to fill in on the, some of the charts that we crossed the state line to decide that riot.

That’s those three people I mentioned.

But the conspiracy charge we were found in the sun.

So we went to jail.

You know, bond was high.

I don’t remember exactly what it was.

I just remember, wow, it’s a high bond, you know.

It was amazing to see this support.

I mean, there were 25,000 people outside demanding our release within one hour of being incarcerated.

And we raised the bail money in three hours.


And I realized walking around my tier that almost everybody there was in because they could post a hundred dollar bond.

And they’ve been in jail for nine months, ten months, you know, with no, you know.

And so I said, well, why don’t we just stay in jail and keep raising money, which is bail out the old jail.

And when we, when we go, we’ll bring them all out.

So everybody, you know, we had a friendly guard who went around to all the defenders.

We were in different tiers.

Everybody agreed.

So we stayed in for two weeks.

So what we did to have prison time of two weeks.

And then we brought the jail out when we came out.

And basically, I would say when it went to a keel, every, you know, we were, we were exonerated on every issue.

And the, just the apartment had the right to retry us again.

But they just realized that was the last thing on earth they wanted to do was to try us again.

So we basically served two weeks in prison.

And the, their…

The one in the last, our sentence, amazing.

You know, you mentioned a few moments ago that you had visited Vietnam and even.

Brought prisoners back.

Prisoners of war.

I’m curious.

Did you ever have an opportunity to connect and visit with the late senator, John McCain, who of course famously was prisoner of war?

that I was going, and he was chosen to basically be among the three people who would be released

to me and brought back. And you know, one of the things that makes me admire his particular

courage is that he refused to go. He would stay in prison until all the prisoners were released.

It was really quite noble, you know. Yes. So although John could have come back with me,

he didn’t. And so there were three other amazing men who came back. Yeah, absolutely amazing.

Well, I want to ask you about working with John Lennon, also another well-known John,

before getting to that, though, I’m really curious, Rennie, given what’s going on in our

country and society right now, and many of the parallels that can be drawn. It strikes me as an

observer that there are a whole lot of us who frankly do not have a very good grasp on history.

And it’s very, it’s worrisome. And of course, that’s going clear back to the Greek philosophers,

and more recently the great framers like Jefferson and Franklin, the great concern in the

democratic system of governance is that you have too many folks with not enough understanding

of history and of what’s at stake. So I want to ask you, Rennie, given what you saw and experienced

in the 60s, what is your take on what’s happening in our country right now?

Well, I know we only have an hour, so I have to put on a muffler a little bit.

I would say the biggest thing about, I mean, you don’t have to be a psychic, honestly, to know

what’s coming, but we’re so steep in civilization, and that civilization is the way we see ourselves in

our world, that the idea that we’re in a time like the Ottoman Empire or the Roman Empire,

where a civilization itself unwinds. Maybe slowly, but it’s basically an end game for a

civilization itself. It’s really hard to grasp or imagine. I would invite your listeners to just

think about what you do know. You do know that the temperature is warming up, and you do know that

higher temperatures means more accelerating to routes. And what you might not quite understand

is that there’s best regions of the world where farmers and their families have farmed for

a thousand years that just simply are coming to an end. There is no option. You see their die

were basically moved. So, you know, as startling as 2020 is, the biggest calamities are going to

begin in 2022. And this is going to include mass migrations, not millions, but hundreds of millions

of people migrating across international borders, which is going to challenge every established

society. And droughts also mean that aquifer depletion, which is occurring at a alarming rate,

is going to accelerate. And that is perhaps the number one event to keep your eye on aquifer depletion,

because as that occurs, that’s going to create the future of humanity. And that basically is going

to result in people who live in cities, who never even think about growing their own food,

starting to realize, you know what, I need to grow my own food, because food distribution

chains are going to begin to snap. And that will be the obvious thing, you know, it doesn’t take

about two minutes to figure it out, but if you’re going to basically live on your own garden,

you need a community. You really do. You know, you’ve got to need your friends, your family,

you know, an intentional community of some kind. So, for everybody who is thinking about a movement

to change the world, you might want to really consider just the common sense thing of what you

can see with your own eyes, if you just look up at their eyes. I mean, this is what’s coming is

basically intentional communities that want to live and thrive. Now, we happen to understand,

is not, you know, rocket science, that people lived in cities their whole life, you know, really

don’t have much understanding about soil regeneration, mycelium, carbon farming, permaculture,

biodynamic farming. These are kind of alien concepts. And without it, you’re going to be in

hardship and struggle if you try to do an intentional community. So, what we’re doing is forming a

project in Arizona that is pulling together all of the know-how, the best in the world,

and creating training videos as well as, you know, a showcase where people can come on site

and see for themselves how it’s done. You know, it’s a beautiful task, but there is something

there as much to learn, it really is. And so, we’re just going to package all of that information

and the best resources on the planet to make it available to any intentional community on Earth.

You know, my personal opinion is that these intentional communities which are inevitable

are going to become a network. And this is a network that could lead into a new nation on Earth.

And that nation could become the future of humanity. So, that is our vision.

It’s a beautiful, absolutely beautiful vision. And it’s so in line with the work we’re doing

at the Wieners’ Community through our network of ambassadors who are themselves leading and or

part of permaculture projects, biodynamic soil regeneration work, etc. And the notion of a network

of intentional communities worldwide reminds me of one of my favorite essays that was written by

a futurist, another futurist named William Irwin Thompson in the 1970s called The Metta Industrial

Village. And what he, and I’ve mentioned it on a couple of other podcast episodes, it’s really one

of my favorites. And what he envisioned in these times is a return to localized soil-based

food and fiber production. While simultaneously, we increasingly network and communicate globally

through the technologies that are available to us. And it’s a wonderful read. And I think in many

respects, we’re now living in the time, Randy, where his version of this possible future

may well be unfolding before our eyes. And it’s beautiful that you’re helping to lead the

way and to create resources for others to learn from. I think one of the great tasks in front of

us in these next two to three years is a massive retraining in education for humanity regarding

these core life skills. And really, it’s about regeneration and stewardship of the biosphere. And

done locally, it’s called a garden or a permaculture food forest. And I’m curious, working folks go

to learn more and follow along and get access to those video resources and other resources you

guys are creating. Yeah, we’re having an event on November of the 11th that I view as one of the

significant events of our time because it’s going to lay out in detail how we could unfold

successfully. You know, rather than just going to the spare and gloom and doom and the end of the

world and pull out our hair, you know, all our team, we call it the new humanity team, you know,

just brimming with hope and positive outlook because they really see a pathway. Now it’s not to

say there’s not hard times in struggle and difficulties coming there, there are, but there is a way

to navigate this time that he’s in grace. One of the concerns that I had personally about

this election is that it gets challenged by the Republican White House at the end no matter what

the outcome is and that the challenge which will be legal and be massive and vicious, okay,

is going to create a period of doubt in this country, but also in the world. And we’re going to

watch fear peep for all times in human history right after the election. I’m hoping to be wrong,

but we’re preparing for it. Yeah, we don’t understand the impact sometimes that fear can have

on a global level. I mean, there was massive fear about Hitler and World War II, but led to

World War II. Fear, fear basically can create global war. And so one of the really amazing

discoveries, you know, I don’t want to, I know it’s really difficult for a species that has

such an early stage of awareness to understand the profound nature of frequencies. I mean, lots of

people are dabbling in it and have a subject, but we’ve been able to discover there is one frequency

and all creation that is improving the fear. You actually literally have to go outside of the

galaxy and find a central sun, which is no little matter, and then recorded perfectly, which we’ve

done and then bring it back into our planet, which would be the first time in human history that

this has happened. And we’ve embedded it in the recording. And so there’s a meditation that we’re

going to do with this hope 11-11 event. It’s not the only thing. We’re also really bringing

thought leaders and people who have a sense of what’s coming and how to really put this together.

But the hope 11-11 meditation is really a beautiful gift that is here. You know, what it does

is the balance of fear and protects the balance of life, no kidding. We’ve got a band of this

frequency circling the globe right now. It’s about 25 miles in width and it just sits below the

stratosphere. You know, you’re very intuitive, extremely intuitive listeners can go there and

see for themselves. I mean, it really is there and is basically helping the world just not

completely go bonkers, you know, with a spirit thing. And so if you want to learn more about this

or get to meditation and just try it for yourself, you know, the link is hope 11-11.com.

That’s great. Yeah, so that’s hope followed by the 11-11 four times 11-11 and .com. And we’ll

put the link in the show notes as well. Okay, thank you. You know, Randy, I was really struck when I was

looking at the website. It’s beautiful, by the way. The juxtaposition between fear and hope.

And, you know, I’m struck too that many of our spiritual traditions speak to those

to phenomena in very strong terms. We know, for example, the the the adage that comes to us

from Yoda, which is really sort of George Lucas’s way of conveying some of the wisdom that Joseph

Campbell assembled from around the world where Yoda says that fear leads to anger, anger leads

to hatred, hatred leads to suffering. And I’m also struck that in the New Testament scriptures

that it’s purported that the master Jesus Christ, more than anything else, said be not afraid.

And it seems to me that among all of the personal practices and inner practices that we can

be cultivating right now, it is cultivating a way of being that is not in fear. And where I go for

something other than fear is the love, hope, gratitude, arena of emotion and psychospiritual

manifestation, I guess, for lack of another set of words. And I’m curious for you, you’ve encountered

some situations that it would seem might cause some fear. And as you’re you’re thinking in terms of

the transition from revolution to evolution, which is also mentioned on your site, how do you

personally cope with fear and or how do you personally cultivate the hope and the alternatives to

fear? One of the things you can do is basically just listen to this particular meditation. It’s not

the words of the meditation, although they’re beautiful. It’s the frequency embedded in the recording.

What people are discovering for themselves is that the frequency races the chemistry of fear

in your physical body over time. That would include, you know, let’s say you were abused as a

three-year-old and just can’t get your arms around it and it’s really stuck up, you know, I mean,

this is the frequency that will remove that at a child abuse memory over time.

Here is a particular numeric frequency that can be described in terms of hertz or megahertz.

Yeah, and fortunately it’s not on the hertz scale. It’s a subtle energy frequency. It’s the highest

frequency that’s possible in the physical universe. It’s the lightest energy in existence and it is

a need of discovery. So all of the traditions that you mentioned are beautiful and they all

got us here. And so this is not a chris of them of any tradition, religion, or spiritual new age

practice, you know, but I would say that we’re in a new situation right now today. So let’s say that

the journey to evolve is a journey of first stages to wake up. So how are we as a species right now?

I mean, realistically, and right now we are between five to six percent awake. Now after awake

comes aware of constant intelligence and supreme intelligence. So this is quite an eternal journey,

but just but but a group of people fully waking up has never happened before in history.

And and and while the traditions and the practices that we’ve learned got us here, I mean,

so thanks, thank ourselves for that and all the teachers and everything. And I do want to just

plant one seed and I don’t mean to be upset anybody’s apple card and saying this, you know,

we need information that’s new to the world to go from five percent awake to a hundred percent

awake in one lifetime. And that’s the task for us. Now it turns out that that information is in

the world. Now it’s not widely available. So that’s partly what our mission is to make this this

information, make them know how for how to do this available. And and if you think that you’ve

figured it all out and you’ve got all the answers, then this is not for you. But if you are still a

student and still wanting to learn, okay, then this is made in heaven for you. So we have,

you know, for example, 13 life principles that when you read them, you could say, well,

I know those, I mean, that of course, yeah. But then you read a little more carefully and you

realize, oh my god, you know, this is completely brand new. I mean, let’s just take one principle

to give you an example. The principle appreciates and gratitude. Everybody knows that’s a really

good idea. And not everybody does know, though, that when you can be in appreciation, gratitude

continuously for three or four days, it activates a master hormone in your body that basically

secretes dopamine, serotonin, endorphins, and all the feel good chemistries. I mean, imagine if

you had a way to turn off the two adrenal glands at seven top of your two kidneys with your mind.

I mean, you could turn it off for yourself. And then step into dopamine and serotonin

in an abundance that just completely transforms your own body chemistry. And I would submit at

this point that there’s no tradition or new age spiritual practice can tell you how to do that.

But the information precisely and exactly or how to do that is here. And so, yeah, I don’t know

what to say. Check it out. You can go to our website is FFH Foundation for Humanity FFH South

Network. And that’ll take you to the 13 Light Principle Training. There’s a whole place where

you can basically just work. It’s kind of a system of cards. You shuffle cards. You pick a card

for the day. You read a one page right up and you take it into your day. This has simple enough,

and it is, but it changes your awareness over time. And there’s hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

of practices, virtually all of the new to the world that supports you in this gigantic moment.

Have you ever tried to change anything in yourself? I mean, really, it’s just like, it is sub-melves

that change anything in yourself. But, you know, we work with people and we see people are just

changing right before I’m really beautiful. It can be done. And so I just leave that for your listeners

to wander. Thank you for sharing that, Rennie. Let me take a moment to remind our listeners that

this is the YonEarthCommunity podcast. I’m your host, Aaron William Perry. And today we’re

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yonurth.org. All of this is linked in the show notes as well. And, Rennie, I, because I said I

would, I want to make sure I ask you about collaborating with John Lennon, who I know is a visionary

and someone who has inspired millions. What was that like working with John? And what was it like

to have the opportunity to know him? I would imagine in a more personal way than most of us

know him, which is as a as a celebrity in public figure. Yeah, truly, it’s like meeting an old

friend, you know. I mean, John was at a point in his life where I, you know, I just finished the

demonstration in Washington where I spoke to a hundred thousand people who are prepared to be a

resident to sit literally in roads and bridges and close the government of the United States

if it doesn’t stop the war and be a nom. I mean, that sense, I mean, this is an amazing group of

people, you know. It actually, many historians think that that event did lead to the White House

deciding to enter into the Paris piece of course. It was a profound event that’s not too well-known

in history. There’s now a book out called Mayday 1971 that I would recommend actually,

it’s a good description of what happened. But anyway, I was sort of, you know, wondering what’s

next after doing that event and it did seem like the anti-war movement was beginning to wind down

and I’ll come to John and Yoko in a television presentation. They’re actually, you know,

bad in their, you know, hotel room and they’re, you know, I listened with wrapped attention

like so many people did to John. It was very clear. He was saying, I’m in the antiwar movement,

you know, I mean, the real one. I’m in that. So because of my role as a coordinator,

like coalition, I’ve seen from myself, you know, his apartment in Lower Manhattan. And, you know,

we became good friends and we, you know, I mean, I’ve, I’ve, I’ve posted gently and tried to see

where it was really at and everything. But, you know, at one point, I just went bold and courageous

and said, John, you know, why don’t we just do a tour you and me? Okay, you bring the musicians,

offering the speakers, we’ll go to 42 cities and we’ll end up at the Republican convention with

a million people. Look right at me and said, okay, let’s do it. So after I gathered myself back

together, you know, we went forward with our tour. We actually did the first event. It was in

Ann Arbor, Michigan. There were so 25,000 seat venues and seats still allowed in 45 minutes.

Stevie Wonder was our guest entertainer. I mean, it was really a beautiful bed. But after that,

the Nixon White House just came down to John Lindwell Wars. It started deportation, you know,

based on sort of marijuana charges in England. And so, and John did not want to leave the United

States. So, so that ended our thing. But one, one day when I was, you know, having a, I don’t know,

we were making our plans for our tour. And he looked at us, washed and realized he was late for

something or other. And I said, well, it’s not a problem. You know, I’m just here for you. So,

you know, I’ll just see in the morning. He said, well, listen, you want to come? I said, well,

yeah, sure. Well, yeah, fine. Okay. So he had a rented limousine and we jumped in the back of

his limousine and drove off it. I still didn’t have any idea where we’re going. I got to, we got

to a recording studio in Mid-Made. And I walked in the door. And there was the Yoko,

you know, was it plastic on a band? John Lindwell’s band at the time was seated. Yoko was there.

And there were a few of the technicians from the recording studio standing on the wall. But other

than that, that was me and Yoko sitting in, you know, about 20 chairs, you know, watching. So, John,

you know, I still had no idea. I mean, I knew that it was, I guess he’s going to be recording.

And so, as John played, you know, hit the song, was the final overdub of Imagine. Wow.

That was just really kind of my breath away. I mean, even when I listened to it while it was

beautiful, I had no idea the implications and where the song was going and so forth. But

you talked, you’re privileged to know John. And I would say he was a real deal and a cool guy.

And I liked him and he liked me. Yeah. What a beautiful friendship.

Well, I already want to be sure before we, you know, conclude today’s conversation to ask you

about an extraordinary chapter in your life journey, which was the time that you were in the

Grand Canyon in the 1990s. And I’ll just, I’ll just ask that you just paint that picture for us.

What was that time for you? What was what happened? Well, I was in the middle of a business,

sort of a people and a friend of mine, a really dear friend who took small groups into the Grand

Canyon and called me up. It’s a, what was you think five days off and come to the Grand Canyon

with our tour? His name was Todd as a top for, I mean, I mean, are you kidding? There’s no way I

can come to the Grand Canyon. I mean, but you know, he sort of planted a scene with me and I

thought about it and I said, whoa, I could go to the Grand Canyon for five days. I could do that.

Why not do that? So I worked it up and, you know, made some time and I went, oh, you got to the

Grand Canyon. I walked in and it was the seven hour walk because Todd had a super beautiful

relationship with the Hawaii Super Indians. We were able to camp on the Native American side of

the canyon. It was actually a property that was the furthest property before the end of the

tribe and, you know, into, into nature. It was just a really beautiful place and I saw my friend

Todd, you know, donated a tent and I had a tent and at five days I realized there was no way I

could leave the canyon. It’s just a really special place and so I wound up living in the

bottom of the Grand Canyon for four years and it was probably the single best decision ever made.

Changed everything for my life, you know, it started off really just, you know, I’d be out

way out from my tent and the weather would change and, you know, it could be pretty challenging,

really, you know, I didn’t have a, you know, an iPhone or any way to link to the weather so

so I began, you know, I was really getting a sense that it’s possible to, I figured out that the

earth is actually a living self-aware being and, you know, science have really now come up

grudgingly and slowly to realize that the earth is a living organism but self-aware, like you can

talk to the earth where you and I are talking right now, you know, that’s a little bit of a challenge

of science. However, there have been shamans and, you know, medicine men and intuitive people,

you know, all through the ages who claim they can do this. So I began to get weather reports from

the earth about the canyon and they were good and they were reliable that I could trust them

and it really helped, you know. So then one day I was sitting in my tent and I thought,

you know, if I can get a weather report from the canyon, why not get a weather report from

about the whole globe? And that’s really what has affected my outlook. I would say,

anybody who’s trying to change the world today might want to take into consideration the earth

herself. You know, the earth is basically guessing plans too. Now there are scientists who know what

this plan is and they’re the ones who study earth cords and they can see that here’s a year

according to the core is a period of warming up, like maybe not as strong as the day, but warming

up like today. And then every single time what follows is a cooling down. Okay, and it comes

suddenly and out of nowhere. Now the scientists who study the core to quite understand the speed,

the scientists still have this view that an ice age comes in slowly, you know, but it’s not the way

it works according to the earth. You know, so I mean, note this respect to anybody. I’m not trying

to upset anybody. I, you know, plant this seed with love in my heart. If it fits for you fine,

if it doesn’t just set it, this is ready science fiction. That’s fine. But my authority is the

earth. And there are earth whispers in the world that you can consult as well. I train earth

whispers so I know they exist. And they all have the same opinion, you know, which is basically

the heat will basically draw the waters of the ocean into the sky. And as the one day of the

start to rain and the rain will quickly turn to snow and the snow will basically continue not

stop without let up for 40 feet. So this is not some way distant thing. If the timing is up to

the earth, but the earth is made our decision not to die, but to regenerate. So whatever your

plans are, okay, you might want to take into consideration the opinion of the future weather

from the earth. It turns out that there is a livable area. It’s roughly, you know,

see they think of southern Arizona to the equator and the distance on the other side. So that’s

where we’re setting up our showcase for a new way of living on earth. And that’s where we plan

to build the plant disease for the future of the human race. We have remarkable technologies

that, you know, are coming from inventors that are just brilliant, genius people that have never

seen the light of day. And, you know, they all have working prototypes and we know how to bring

their working prototypes into commercial designs. So we’re going to create a technology. You know,

I’m going to be talking about free energy and recycling all waste and dirt and everything. And

we can make brick pavers or blocks that are twice as strong as cement. We can replace cement

with the weights of the world with our technologies. We have a heater that basically has an input of

about 150 watts, which we can generate a little tiny solar panel on a battery and it puts out

the electricity of a 15 watt electric heater. Now that’s not possible according to the second

law of thermodynamics, but we’ll have a major university sign off on it, yep, these are the numbers.

And it’s going to create a big stir. It really is. I mean, it’s not a joke. It’s really here. We have

it and we’re going to do it. And so it’s not like we’re into technology. We just see the future of

humanity is going to be built in this area. And that’s where we’re putting our love and our trust

and our focus. Yeah. That’s really all thanks to the Grand Canyon. I mean, it’s extraordinary,

Rennie. And I know that when we’re sharing, you know, visions and intimations and things we might

hear from the earth or other forces, it’s not necessarily something that’s easy to talk about

or that necessarily lands well for everybody listening. But I would just encourage folks to

maybe take a few minutes and just let what you’re saying kind of sink in a little bit and consider

it at least as a possibility. And I so appreciate that you’re sharing so openly and publicly

something that, you know, could very easily be ridiculed or blown off by people. And I know one

thing for sure, I go to a lot of conferences and visit with a lot of scientists and experts about

the near future. And the one thing I’m convinced about is that virtually none of us, and there

might be some exceptions, but virtually none of us know exactly what’s going to happen in the future,

which I think therefore means in a gesture of intellectual honesty, we ought to at least consider

all kinds of different views and possibilities. And it’s clear to me, Rennie, that one of the things

we’ve lost in many of our cultural lifeways is an ability to listen and to connect with the

living biosphere of this planet, of planet Earth of Gaia. And that whatever we might think about

anything else, technology, climate, ice ages, heating up, whatever solar cycles, whatever it might be,

that it might be whove us at the individual level to do what we can to deepen the relationship

that we can cultivate directly with our living planet. And that in that humility, we might

discover wisdom and knowledge that will indeed be helpful for us for our communities and for future

generations. And so I just, you know, I’ll riff a little in response to you sharing something

so beautiful and extraordinary, really. And thank you for sharing that.

Yeah. Well, yeah, thank you, Aaron. I really agree with that.

The humility goes a long ways with everything I’m saying. I would just say, you know,

I planted the seed with your listeners. And you don’t have to respond one where the

other, truthfully, you just wait and see. But as you wait and see, the day will come when you

will remember this conversation. I’m basically explaining a common sense thing. And it’s based on

the authority of the earth. So it’s an interesting perspective, a useful perspective when a person

is ready to hear. And when you feel ready to hear, you’re certainly welcome to join us in

creating the future of the human race. Beautiful, Randy. Well, I’m, I’ve got just one more question.

I want to ask you that I think is an important one for many of us working in the arena of

sustainability and regeneration technology and techniques. And of course, that means interfacing

with the finance community in many different respects and many different ways. And I’m just struck,

you know, as I’m reading through your bio and your background and having the opportunity to get

to know you a bit more and understand the very heart-centered way in which you are doing the work

that you’re doing. It’s interesting to see you’re also a venture capitalist, right? And sort of

the joke out there is BC stands for Vulture Capitalists. And you know, it’s not necessarily a

demographic that is beloved to everybody. And I’m struck and I want to ask you what’s different

about how you’re approaching your work and role in the realm of finance and business

versus what, you know, sort of as the mainstream norm. And why is that different given where you’re

coming from personally and in terms of your spiritual understanding? Could you speak to that for a bit?

Sure, you know, I would, you know, I have several lives, I guess, like we all do. And after the

60s, I went into business and we formed the, which is kind of a miniature booze at

now, like, you know, a full service management consultant company. And our clients were all

CEOs and senior management of Furchapart fund companies. I was the financial planner for many

of these people. I was the financial planner for the president of the Manville Corporation,

the Board of Directors of Gase River Company, the president of HBO, people who were in the

forefront of riches. I don’t know what that’s a positive turnout. I mean, I, I learned a lot, you

know, by that. And I today, I would say the reason I’m interested in assembling the capital is

because of our projects, especially our technologies. I mean, we have started, we have 15 world

changing technologies, very bit as significant as the light bulb. This changes the basic life

and the basic understanding everybody on earth can be commercialized. And for that, you know,

some kind of capital is needed. So there was certainly a period of time where I tried to just

tuck it in and write careful private placement offerings that complied with SEC and did, you know,

all those kind of things. But I’ve moved on. I can still do that, but I have moved on to an

understanding that actually there are quite a few individual people in the world who feel like I do

about the world that’s coming. And they want to support a vision where humanity not only survives,

but lives and grows and thrives. And so, rather than just get all hurry hurry, been out of shape,

and I’m a venture capitalizing. I really do that. I just did my chair in my office and get quiet,

and just had the intention that things always work out for me, and that I have the power of

non-resistant thought in me. And by changing my own perception about it all, not going into all

the things that can go wrong and worry and doubt and, you know, oh my god, how are we going to do this?

I just chose not to do that. So we have a commitment for our fun thing. We are going to raise some,

you know, small monies until that money comes in, which will be 60 days. But we’re just,

we’re all pretty relaxed, but really, you know, I say we’re a venture capitalists who relax

capitalists, you know, and I don’t know even about capital, you know, one of the things that I’ve

been shown is the basically creative digital economy for a new nation on Earth. And so, you know,

in our offering memorandum, which is 80 pages and security compliant, and it’s, you know, quite a

read. Yeah, there’s a long section on digital currency being created, how that would be created,

and how it would work. And basically, you know, as our large or accepted currency comes into doubt,

there’s a place where all of us that go where we have a way to trade and we have a way to

basically exchange. So we’re, we’re on that one too, we really are. I don’t know, I’m a venture

capitalist and no other other I’ve ever met on Earth or so. I’m not a few venture capitalists

of the future. Let’s put it back. That’s really great. Well, that mention of currency reminds me of

one of my favorite books called The Future of Money by an old late friend of mine, Bernard Lieter,

whom you may know. And in it, he describes a potential future scenario where we’re using

digital currency that is tied to some of the sustainability fundamentals like soil and so on.

And for folks who are working on these kinds of developments, I find that book to be a must,

a must read it. There’s so much information and historic understanding of what money is and

how it can work and what we might be able to do as we innovate in that arena. Yep. Great. Great.

Well, Randy, it is such a joy to visit with you today and I appreciate you taking the time to

share some of your story and perspective with our audience. Of course, hope 1111.com. There’s a big

event on November 11th. So everyone, please tune into that if you’re called. And before we sign

off for any, is there anything else you’d like to say or share with our audience? Yeah, there’s

only one law in this reality. And that is the law of free will and the right to exist.

So when you think that there’s no option or hope in that the world is just on fire,

which it kind of is, how do you basically navigate this time? You know, and there really is a

thing you know how that many of us are learning to basically, I mean, in the 13 principles,

the first principle we have is everything is going to be better than anything that you could

possibly imagine. That’s a great principle to live by because it turns out that when you really do,

and you don’t question everything and you don’t worry and stress,

you can actually create joy and love and life in your own life. And that’s really how you do live,

grow and thrive is you profoundly changing ourselves, regenerating ourselves just like the earth

is regenerating herself is really a cool path to go on in this time like no other.

Beautiful. Thank you so much, Rene, I appreciate it and look forward to the event on the 11th.

Okay, thanks so much, Aaron. Bye-bye. Bye.

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